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Old 12-11-2009, 02:27 PM   #1
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Sooo...as I mentioned in my other thread, I have downloaded Thunderbird and in addition to importing my email accounts from Netscape7.2, I created a new email account for my mail.com address.

Thunderbird basically automatically created the mail.com account as an IMAP account and while I knew about IMAP, this is my first experience actually using it and it's been rather interesting and somewhat frustrating.

The first frustration is that when one clicks on Help in Tbird, rather than taking you to the Mozilla knowledgebase for Tbird, you are taken to the Tbird forums which are essentially useless for basic info on how Tbird works. I finally did a browser search for "thunderbird tutorials" and stumbled across the Mozilla Tbird KB pages which have quite a bit of useful (and generally well written) info on things like IMAP.

I have had my mail.com account since about 2002 and I have quite a lot of saved email in user-defined folders and I was quite excited when all of that data was "transferred" in to my mail.com Tbird account.

Somewhere in the back of my mind I knew that IMAP kept mail on the server rather than downloading it as is done with POP3, but I'd forgotten that when actually dealing with IMAP. After reading the KB article I now understood why Tbird kept "going online" all the time which was driving me nuts. So now that understood what was going on, I decided to see what would happen if I choose to go Offline in Tbird. I was asked if I wanted to download and I answered yes. It took a while to get all that data downloaded but I was really excited to see that all of my data was now on my own harddrive.

The next step was to see if I could copy all those user folders of data from my Tbird mail.com account to "local". After I went into my doc/settings/application data for Tbird and copied from mail.com to the "local" directory when I opened Tbird again, there were all my user folders with all my emails in as subfolders in "local"--along with the same folders within my mail.com account. I renamed all the "local" user folders by adding a suffix of "-L" figuring that Tbird's indexing would be happier without what, in effect, were duplicate user folder names.

I then tried to delete one user folder in my mail.com account but Tbird wouldn't let me do it so I went to that nasty aol/mail.com mail interface and deleted a user folder there. When I reopened Tbird and it was gone. I then proceeded to delete all of my user folders at the aol/mail.com site and when I reopened Tbird, they were gone and Tbird stopped chugging away trying to index stuff.

It's very exciting that I have all of my data on my own hard drive because if I wanted to, I could drop my mail.com subscription without either losing all of my saved emails or having to work really hard at transferrring them somehow.

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Old 12-11-2009, 03:05 PM   #2
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Sooo...as I mentioned in my other thread, I have downloaded Thunderbird and in addition to importing my email accounts from Netscape7.2, I created a new email account for my mail.com address.

Thunderbird basically automatically created the mail.com account as an IMAP account and while I knew about IMAP, this is my first experience actually using it and it's been rather interesting and somewhat frustrating.

The first frustration is that when one clicks on Help in Tbird, rather than taking you to the Mozilla knowledgebase for Tbird, you are taken to the Tbird forums which are essentially useless for basic info on how Tbird works. I finally did a browser search for "thunderbird tutorials" and stumbled across the Mozilla Tbird KB pages which have quite a bit of useful (and generally well written) info on things like IMAP.

I have had my mail.com account since about 2002 and I have quite a lot of saved email in user-defined folders and I was quite excited when all of that data was "transferred" in to my mail.com Tbird account.

Somewhere in the back of my mind I knew that IMAP kept mail on the server rather than downloading it as is done with POP3, but I'd forgotten that when actually dealing with IMAP. After reading the KB article I now understood why Tbird kept "going online" all the time which was driving me nuts. So now that understood what was going on, I decided to see what would happen if I choose to go Offline in Tbird. I was asked if I wanted to download and I answered yes. It took a while to get all that data downloaded but I was really excited to see that all of my data was now on my own harddrive.

The next step was to see if I could copy all those user folders of data from my Tbird mail.com account to "local". After I went into my doc/settings/application data for Tbird and copied from mail.com to the "local" directory when I opened Tbird again, there were all my user folders with all my emails in as subfolders in "local"--along with the same folders within my mail.com account. I renamed all the "local" user folders by adding a suffix of "-L" figuring that Tbird's indexing would be happier without what, in effect, were duplicate user folder names.

I then tried to delete one user folder in my mail.com account but Tbird wouldn't let me do it so I went to that nasty aol/mail.com mail interface and deleted a user folder there. When I reopened Tbird and it was gone. I then proceeded to delete all of my user folders at the aol/mail.com site and when I reopened Tbird, they were gone and Tbird stopped chugging away trying to index stuff.

It's very exciting that I have all of my data on my own hard drive because if I wanted to, I could drop my mail.com subscription without either losing all of my saved emails or having to work really hard at transferrring them somehow.

Terrie

LOVELY AINT IT You just drag and drop your emails from IMAP.MAIL.COM to LOCAL and there ya go all your email is saved on your end and you can continue using your COMPUSERVE email account / Or whatever you use for your mail email address <G>

I am a OUTLOOK 2003 fan... I just didn't care for thunderbird for some reason.... I cant put my hand on why besides I like how I can sort emails into GROUPS. as in WHO THEY'RE FROM, or TO, or Date, or Time, or Size

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Old 12-11-2009, 03:36 PM   #3
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cwm480: ou just drag and drop your emails from IMAP.MAIL.COM to LOCAL and there ya go all your email is saved on your end
I didn't realize I could have just dragged and dropped! Duh! '-}}

I didn't configure my compuserve account for IMAP primarily because I wanted to "train" the aol/compuserve mail system spam handlers so what I do is to go to webmail.compuserve.com and if I have spam in my Inbox, I flag it as spam and then delete all the spam emails--in the Spambox. If I get mulitple spams from the same address, then I block it in webmail (via Settings). That way, I just pick up my valid email via Eudora.

I've found that on the whole, I have very little spam coming in via webmail...

I may eventualy import my compuserve account into Thunderbird from Eudora but at this point, I'll continue to use Eudora...


>>I just didn't care for thunderbird for some reason.

Even though I'm pc based, I have always avoided all other Microsoft software--like Word and Outlook--so I never considered Outlook at all. So far with just 2-3 days of use, I think Thunderbird is going to work ok for me primarily because it's so similar in approach to what I'm used to with Netscape7.2 but I might also investigage Pegasus which I know nothing about...

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Old 12-11-2009, 03:48 PM   #4
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I didn't realize I could have just dragged and dropped! Duh! '-}}

I didn't configure my compuserve account for IMAP primarily because I wanted to "train" the aol/compuserve mail system spam handlers so what I do is to go to webmail.compuserve.com and if I have spam in my Inbox, I flag it as spam and then delete all the spam emails--in the Spambox. If I get mulitple spams from the same address, then I block it in webmail (via Settings). That way, I just pick up my valid email via Eudora.

I've found that on the whole, I have very little spam coming in via webmail...

I may eventualy import my compuserve account into Thunderbird from Eudora but at this point, I'll continue to use Eudora...


>>I just didn't care for thunderbird for some reason.

Even though I'm pc based, I have always avoided all other Microsoft software--like Word and Outlook--so I never considered Outlook at all. So far with just 2-3 days of use, I think Thunderbird is going to work ok for me primarily because it's so similar in approach to what I'm used to with Netscape7.2 but I might also investigage Pegasus which I know nothing about...

Terrie

Yep, its very easy now that you've done it eh? <G>

I am on a PC too.. XP HOME to be exact... I just dont know.... I might have to give it another try and see how it goes... Been awhile since i've used it... I heard with the .mbox format that EUDORA 8, Eudora, and Thunderbird use, you dont have to worry about corruption or any sorts because it allows your mail to be stored safely and there is no limits or .pst or whatever corruptions <G>

   
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Old 12-11-2009, 07:24 PM   #5
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cwm480: you dont have to worry about corruption or any sorts because it allows your mail to be stored safely and there is no limits
So far, I've not run into any problems or corruption in all the years I've used Eudora--I had never compacted the folders until about 6 months ago because I never realized it might be "better".

My sister is still using Netscape7.2 mail as her primary email software and she did have problems with a corrupted Inbox and missing emails because she didn't realize how large her Inbox had gotten. I did some checking for her when it happened and she was able to restore her Inbox and then cleaned it out by moving most of her Inbox mail to different local folders. She's not had a problem since she did that.

I'm probably going to set up Tbird for her this weekend. It functions in many ways so much like Netscape mail that I think she will find the transition quite straightforward and will be able to take advantage of having more current email software.

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So far, I've not run into any problems or corruption in all the years I've used Eudora--I had never compacted the folders until about 6 months ago because I never realized it might be "better".

My sister is still using Netscape7.2 mail as her primary email software and she did have problems with a corrupted Inbox and missing emails because she didn't realize how large her Inbox had gotten. I did some checking for her when it happened and she was able to restore her Inbox and then cleaned it out by moving most of her Inbox mail to different local folders. She's not had a problem since she did that.

I'm probably going to set up Tbird for her this weekend. It functions in many ways so much like Netscape mail that I think she will find the transition quite straightforward and will be able to take advantage of having more current email software.

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AHHH... Yeah, very true... But, like I said I * THINK * Eudora uses the .mbox technology where I am dealing with a .PST file so I am starting to get worried about it corrupting because I have ALOT! of email.. Ouch....

WOW, Netscape 7.2 email client? Is she using the browser too? I use to use NETSCAPE ( it was one of my favorite browsers) but.... I never used the email client I dont even know what it looks like :X

Now, I do know that WINDOWS LIVE MAIL email client uses a VERY DIFFERENT technology than its Predisessor used. Outlook Express used the .DBX file where corrupted VERY EASILY... The Windows Live email client stores the emails as SEPERATE files so each email takes up its own space and there is no .DBX file to worry about corruption.

   
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Eudora uses MBX. While any file can get corrupted, I've never heard of people using MBX-based email apps having the kind of problems Outlook can visit upon the hapless user. (Are there any hapfull users here?)

With MBX, each folder is a separate file, and it's just text with some flags to separate the emails. IOW, if one of your folders gets hosed, you can still open the mail file in Notepad or any other text editor. If your PST gets hosed ... well. You don't really even want to THINK about that, do ya? ;-)

A separate file for each EMAIL in WLM? Lawdy.

   
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Eudora uses MBX. While any file can get corrupted, I've never heard of people using MBX-based email apps having the kind of problems Outlook can visit upon the hapless user. (Are there any hapfull users here?)

With MBX, each folder is a separate file, and it's just text with some flags to separate the emails. IOW, if one of your folders gets hosed, you can still open the mail file in Notepad or any other text editor. If your PST gets hosed ... well. You don't really even want to THINK about that, do ya? ;-)

A separate file for each EMAIL in WLM? Lawdy.
Yep, thats how WINDOWS LIVE MAIL does it now

how to explain this:

EACH EMAIL has its own folder so if you make a folder called STEVES WORK MAIL

well if you navigate to C:/documents and settings/steve/app data/WLM/

you will see a folder called STORAGE

you open that up then you will see a folder called STEVE'S MAIL

click on it and then you will see like

45523402.eml

each email is saved as its own .eml but incoded in numbers.

   
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45523402.eml

each email is saved as its own .eml but incoded in numbers.
Actually, that's sort of interesting because that's kind of what Compuserve's WinCim software did in the Filing Cabinet...

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Actually, that's sort of interesting because that's kind of what Compuserve's WinCim software did in the Filing Cabinet...

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OH WOW Interesting!

   
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