View Full Version : Font thinks it's taller after TypeTooling

07-28-2005, 09:07 PM
I've noticed a funny thing after adjusting the kerning in a font (Adobe Type 1 Gill Sans), using TypeTool on PC.

All I did was adjust kerning in a handful of pairs and then resave the font. I didn't -- AFAIK -- change anything in the vertical metrics (or anything else).

When I installed the newly kerned version of the font and then opened a Quark file that had been created using the original version of the font, the last line of type disappeared in many of the text boxes.

For example, a text table in Quark had been carefully formatted to the text fit the depth of the cells very precisely. After installing the kerned font, ALL of those text boxes were 2 points too short, and the last line of text had disappeared.

I had to increase the depth of all of the text boxes to get those last lines of text back.

It's not a major problem, but it IS annoying, especially when I have large text tables.

I've submitted a support request to TypeTool, but thought maybe someone here might have an idea about why this is happening.


07-29-2005, 03:39 PM
Just an idea. Rather than being taller, something may have changed the descender size, which could also cause this porblem. No solution, I am afraid, but another direction to look at.

Don McCahill

07-29-2005, 09:53 PM
Could be. Problem is, I don't know how or why that would happen. I didn't change anything in the vertical metrics (at least not knowingly).


08-08-2005, 01:19 PM
The solution is ...

Turns out it's a bug in TypeTool. When it writes the PFM file (when generating fonts), it generates incorrect values for the Key Dimensions, including ascenders, descenders, caps height, and x height.

The workaround is to manually restore the original key dimensions (which I have to look up and write down from the original font files), generate fonts without a PFM (just create an AFM, INF and PFB), and use the Windows installer to create a PFM (which will have the correct Key Dimensions).

I'm just glad there IS a workaround!


08-08-2005, 01:40 PM
Sounds like a pita and a half...


Michael Rowley
08-08-2005, 04:47 PM

Turns out it's a bug in TypeTool

Which version?

08-09-2005, 08:00 PM
Yeah, it's a PITA, but the alternative is to start up my old PC in the basement, which has an older operating system that will still run FontFiddler. FontFiddler is a much simpler program. But it won't run under W2k or XP.

And I am just too lazy to copy files onto a floppy and go downstairs every time I want to kern a font. I always miss some kern pairs, and usually have to tweak the font several times. It's just too much trouble to keep switching back and forth between two computers.

If FontFiddler ran under XP, I would be one happy chick.

And I'm not aware of any inexpensive ($100 or less) programs other than TypeTool that will do kerning and renaming of font files.


08-09-2005, 08:02 PM

It's TypeTool 2.0, the latest version.


Michael Rowley
08-10-2005, 08:33 AM

It's TypeTool 2.0

Oh! That's the one I have got.