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ktinkel
06-09-2005, 12:06 PM
Here is a lovely article on setting metal type by hand that will make you feel grateful for your digital type: “How big is a font (http://www.apa-letterpress.org/Files/APA/TP/HowBigaFont.html)?”

annc
06-11-2005, 01:24 PM
Here is a lovely article on setting metal type by hand that will make you feel grateful for your digital type: “How big is a font (http://www.apa-letterpress.org/Files/APA/TP/HowBigaFont.html)?”Thanks for the link. It gives a whole new meaning to 'selecting a font'.

donmcc
06-12-2005, 04:56 AM
I wonder how many people here realize that the term "out of sorts" for a person who is upset comes from type lingo. You can imagine how a typesetter dealing with hand type felt when he got down to near the end of the page, and found that there were no more of one of the letters he needed. He became "out of sorts" while he waited until another page was broken up and resorted to give him what he needed.

ktinkel
06-12-2005, 05:38 AM
… the term "out of sorts" for a person who is upset comes from type lingo. …Or that “mind your ps and qs” refers to the great possibility that a compositor could confuse these two characters when setting type upside down and backwards!

Steve Rindsberg
06-12-2005, 08:20 AM
Or that “mind your ps and qs” refers to the great possibility that a compositor could confuse these two characters when setting type upside down and backwards!
I've heard that one explained differently though. Publicans would run a tab (hmm, short for "table"?) with rows = customers and one column each for Pints and Quarts, headed P and Q.

Customers who overindulged or were tardy in paying up were warned to "mind your Ps and Qs"

AAMOF, I first heard this down the road a bit from you in Mystic a long, long, long time ago.

ktinkel
06-12-2005, 08:26 AM
I've heard that one explained differently though. Publicans would run a tab (hmm, short for "table"?) with rows = customers and one column each for Pints and Quarts, headed P and Q.

Customers who overindulged or were tardy in paying up were warned to "mind your Ps and Qs"

AAMOF, I first heard this down the road a bit from you in Mystic a long, long, long time ago.Oh, Mystic! That explains everything! <g>

The printer association is pretty well established (and the thing depends on using lowercase characters). But there is always room for one more.

Michael Rowley
06-12-2005, 12:37 PM
KT:

The printer association is pretty well established

I've heard (or read) the story slightly differently: it was the apprentices that had to mind their ps and qs when they were breaking down type and replacing it in the case. The compositors, who were experienced, wouldn't have mistaken a p for a q.

ktinkel
06-12-2005, 03:38 PM
… it was the apprentices that had to mind their ps and qs when they were breaking down type and replacing it in the case. The compositors, who were experienced, wouldn't have mistaken a p for a q.Perhaps so.

But it was printing (not barmanship) that was the origin of the adage. No?

Michael Rowley
06-13-2005, 06:24 AM
KT:

But it was printing (not barmanship) that was the origin of the adage

Oh, of course it was!

Steve Rindsberg
06-13-2005, 12:03 PM
"room for one more"

Or bunches:

http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifmindyourpsandqs.shtml

ktinkel
06-13-2005, 01:18 PM
"room for one more"

Or bunches:

http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifmindyourpsandqs.shtmlVery interesting. Thanks.