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Keithire
12-09-2009, 03:05 PM
I am new to desktop publishing, and I too am creating a magazine. I am using Scribus 1.3.3.13 on a Windows Vista PC. With some trial and error, I have been able to make a cover design with Scribus without any major problems. But I do have a question:

Is there a way to have two (2) - 8.5x11 designs put on a single 17x11 page?

If anyone can help out, please let me know. Thanks in advance.

-Keith

ktinkel
12-09-2009, 05:50 PM
Hi, Keithire —

I am a little confused. Are you trying to test two cover designs for an issue of a magazine?

If so, the easiest way I can think of is to create two spreads (back + front) with different fronts, and then arrange for the printer to use each set half the time.

But I may be misunderstanding, so let us know what you are planning to do.

Keithire
12-09-2009, 05:55 PM
I want to create a 17x11 magazine cover from two 8.5x11 designs.

ktinkel
12-09-2009, 06:10 PM
I want to create a 17x11 magazine cover from two 8.5x11 designs.Sorry, but I still don’t understand. Bear with me, please.

What is the finished size of the magazine? Is it a tabloid (i.e., 11X17 inches)? Or an 8.5x11?

Are you puzzled about how to make the front and back of an 8.5x11-inch magazine? or something else — like an 8.5x11 magazine with alternate covers?

Keithire
12-09-2009, 06:16 PM
If you take apart a stapled magazine, the cover is 2 halves. The right is the front, the left is the back, usually made from 2 separate designs. My magazine is going to be 8.5x11 inches, so the cover needs to be a 17x11 sheet of paper with both designs on it. I have the designs for both front and back in 8.5x11. I need to know how to put both designs on a 17x11 working area. I hope that helps explain.

donmcc
12-10-2009, 07:21 AM
This is termed imposition, and is normally done by the printer, not the DTPer. In the odd case where you have a single image that wraps around the front and back cover, talk to the printer ... they will probably want it is a separate 11x17 file.

ktinkel
12-10-2009, 08:20 AM
If you take apart a stapled magazine, the cover is 2 halves. The right is the front, the left is the back, usually made from 2 separate designs. My magazine is going to be 8.5x11 inches, so the cover needs to be a 17x11 sheet of paper with both designs on it. I have the designs for both front and back in 8.5x11. I need to know how to put both designs on a 17x11 working area. I hope that helps explain.Ah! Now I get it.

Designers normally design magazines (or books) in spreads — two facing pages, as readers see them. This makes it easy to flow the text from page to page, arrange illustrations so they look good on the spread, and so on.

I assume Scribus works like InDesign or XPress. If so, the page you designate as 1 will be a single page on the right side of the spread layout; the left side will be blank. The last page of the magazine will appear alone at the end, on the left side of the form. (You need to have a total page count evenly divisible by 4, obviously.) The first and last page may be the front and back covers, or you might be asked to produce the covers in a separate file (in which case the inner page count should be divisible by 4).

Your commercial printer will rearrange your readers’ spreads into printers’ spreads in a process called imposition. How, exactly, depends on the size of the sheet he prints on (it might hold several of your spreads), what he needs to allow for folding and trimming, etc. When finished, your second page will be printed on the back of the first, and so on.

Usually you are not responsible for imposition. You deliver your reader-oriented PDF to the printer, he does whatever needs to be done to the pages, and you get the finished magazine with everything in the right place.

If you were thinking of printing on a large office printer, of course, you would need to work out the imposition yourself. But even then you would design and lay out the pages in reader spreads. Doing anything else at that point would make you giddy!

Then you would need to rearrange the pages in the output PDF so everything works out. However, I have printed 11x17 spreads in a big H-P printer, and can tell you it is hard work that goes very slowly. It was the sort of learning experience that I would not repeat!

Keithire
12-15-2009, 07:39 PM
Both answers help quite a bit, thanks. I am now doing the page spread as you mentioned in Scribus, and everything seems to look pretty good in the print preview.

Now that I have all these spreads, my next question is:

How do I re-arrange the individual pages from the spreads into a PDF that will print the pages in magazine form? I tinkered around with the Save To PDF, but can only save 1 spread at a time. Ideally, I'd like to save 2 spreads to a PDF (front and back), on the sheet of paper.

Explanation of why I'm trying to do this:

I plan on printing 50 to 100 magazines per print run, and I would like the PDF's be separated by sheets, so I can do 50 at a time instead of printing the entire magazine one by one (I hope that makes sense). I'd have each sheet in it's own pile, then I'll put them together.

don Arnoldy
12-16-2009, 12:27 AM
Explanation of why I'm trying to do this:...You're trying to print this magazine on a home laserprinter (or inkjet)?

--don

Keithire
12-16-2009, 07:12 AM
Laser printer. Brother HL-5370DW is what I have.

donmcc
12-16-2009, 08:19 AM
Ah, this is an entirely different situation. As a home printer, you will have to do the imposition yourself. There are a couple ways to do this. I would recommend using Acrobat (full version, not reader) and then manually moving pages around to match the pattern you need (for instance, in a 20 page section, 20 and 1 appear on the first sheet, with 2 and 19 on the back.)

What page size are you aiming for? 7x8.5 is the largest you will be able to go on that printer, if you are printing four pages on a sheet (legal paper). Acrobat has the ability to print two pages to a sheet, and only specified numbers of sheets, so you should be able to arrange the pages so that you and print the 20,1,2,19 combination mentioned above.

I hope you have a stapler with a throat long enough to staple the finished pages together.

Keithire
12-16-2009, 08:26 AM
@donmcc: Yeah, I found out that letter size is the largest format I can print on with this printer, and that's fine. I do have a pretty good stapler, and I'll check out Acrobat. Thanks!