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ktinkel
11-28-2005, 10:55 AM
As promised (hurray for them!), FontLab (http://www.fontlab.com/Font-tools/Fontographer/) has released an OS X-compatible version of Fontographer (4.7). This release includes improved functions:


native support for Mac OS X
support for the Euro character
updated encodings
copy-paste compatibility with new Illustrator and Freehand versions
numerous bug fixes
Free downloadable demos are available at the web site (you can play around but not save the file or generate fonts).

To upgrade from Fontographer 4 to 4.7, $99; from 3.x to 4.7, $198. To buy, $349. (And there are other deals as well.)

They also offer the Windows version of Fontographer 4 (the old version), but warn there may be problems with Windows 2000, ME, or XP.

rakman4
11-28-2005, 06:41 PM
That's all well and fine and good -- but I purchased the upgrade, followed instructions to download the program (which told me it had to be done within three days), and it will not download (Safari says there is a "POSIX error") -- either in Safari or Firefox.

Also, the interface to buy the product has a lot of kinks in it -- there is a place that says "enter billing address if different from shipping address" and if you leave that blank, it won't let you go on.

It also doesn't seem to care to know your Fontographer 4.1 serial number.

So, as far as I can tell right now, Fontographer for Mac OS X is -- vaporware.

rakman4
11-29-2005, 06:05 AM
Well, here I am replying to myself. I am pleased to report that, after lots of coughing, burping, and general sluggish behaviour, Font Lab's servers finally coughed up a working version of Fontographer 4.7, but not before they gave me the message that I had downloaded it too many times and would not be permitted to do so again (apparently in cyberspace zero is a very large number).

What's different in this version is the lack of the "starting Classic" message, and the lack of the "Fontographer 4.1.3 quit unexpectedly because of an unknown error" message at startup. Otherwise it seems to run like it was the first Clinton administration -- except for the blue checkboxes, etc.

And after a few months of Font Lab, I am SO glad to have "Correct Path Direction" back. But am sorry to report that the original Fontographer Sounds come with.

ktinkel
11-29-2005, 06:12 AM
… and it will not download.

So, as far as I can tell right now, Fontographer for Mac OS X is -- vaporware.I too had trouble with the download offered on the order form. Wrote to complain, and was told that download instructions would be in a subsequent e-mail (as, indeed, they were). Like the ordering interface, their communications are kind of rough. FontLab is a small organization, I am pretty sure. Maybe we can forgive the rough edges if the software works.

I had to provide my FOG 4.1 s/n in order to order. But you get a new number to use when installing 4.7.

Right this minute, the jury is still out on whether or how well the software works — my favorite keyboard shortcuts are not working. But I will repair permissions and restart before I start yelling.

Oh, by the way: the installation instructions warn you sternly to delete all previous versions of Fontographer. I believe you can safely ignore that instruction.

ElyseC
11-29-2005, 06:14 AM
Yay! So you gonna see what's up with Trafton sitting high?

If I can dig out my ancient copy of FOG to unearth a serial number, I may contact them and make sure they still have me listed in their database -- or that my listing got transferred with the purchase from Macromedia. Then there's the issue of correcting it to my new phone, email and mailing address.

I sure would like to play with FOG again.

ktinkel
11-29-2005, 06:16 AM
Otherwise it seems to run like it was the first Clinton administration -- except for the blue checkboxes, etc.

And after a few months of Font Lab, I am SO glad to have "Correct Path Direction" back. But am sorry to report that the original Fontographer Sounds come with.I used to turn the sounds off, but in a surge of nostalgia have left them on. For now.

Do your keyboard shortcuts work? For example, does Option-] in a character window move you to the next character? Does Option-left arrow move a selected element 1 em unit (assuming you have the basic unit set to 10, as it is by default)?

I am hoping it is just a glitch, and will repair permissions and reboot before accepting the worst.

ktinkel
11-29-2005, 06:19 AM
If I can dig out my ancient copy of FOG to unearth a serial number, I may contact them and make sure they still have me listed in their database.I wouldn’t worrry about the details; they look for a valid FOG s/n before they will accept an upgrade order for 4.7, at which point you will provide all the contact information possible.

I’m not sure they got or kept a Macromedia database. They certainly didn’t notify me of this new version, and I have two registered copies of FOG 4. And I know I am not alone.

ElyseC
11-29-2005, 06:55 AM
Well, part of my problem is finding the old FOG box, disks or whatever has that serial number on it, so if I can confirm they have my registration, get it updated and retrieve the s/n that way, I'm off and running.

rakman4
11-29-2005, 04:11 PM
They've moved some of the shortcuts around: apple-T used to be reserved for Fit to Window, but it's now also Merge Point, which used to be apple-M. apple-M seems to be dead. Go to next character is now (unexplainably!) option-right arrow. It looks like they let some Windows programmers in the room or something. But moving "merge point" to apple-T is just, imho, stupid. The only "T" in "merge point" is at the end!

But hey -- Correct Path Direction is back. With complex stuff like I do, this is SO very hard to fix in Font Lab. One command in Fontographer and it's done.

rakman4
11-29-2005, 04:17 PM
I am thinking that the high-riding Trafton is a Font Lab/Open Type thing. Several other of my older fonts ride high when converted in Font Lab, and several of them don't. I haven't figured out a rule yet. As long as Windows and OS X both accept PostScript Type 1 happily, I won't worry. Problems converting old MacWrite files to Word or Illustrator 88 files to Illustrator 5 or Finale 3.0 files to Finale 2005 are much worse.

And by the way. I have a nice Trafton. Apparently I can't do a good OpenType, but the Type 1 looks just fine. Elyse has one. Who wants?

ktinkel
11-29-2005, 05:01 PM
IAnd by the way. I have a nice Trafton. Apparently I can't do a good OpenType, but the Type 1 looks just fine. Elyse has one. Who wants?I do. Send it to k_tinkel@mac.com.

Thanks.

ktinkel
11-30-2005, 05:49 AM
They've moved some of the shortcuts around: apple-T used to be reserved for Fit to Window, but it's now also Merge Point, which used to be apple-M. apple-M seems to be dead. Go to next character is now (unexplainably!) option-right arrow. It looks like they let some Windows programmers in the room or something. But moving "merge point" to apple-T is just, imho, stupid. The only "T" in "merge point" is at the end!I hadn’t caught all of them yet, but they do all sound stupid.

I will be on auto-pilot with Command-T and Command-M forever, I suppose. And I have discovered that the only way to have single em-unit control over movement is to set it to 1 (instead of the default 10).

But hey -- Correct Path Direction is back. With complex stuff like I do, this is SO very hard to fix in Font Lab. One command in Fontographer and it's done.Yeah. At least they didn’t mess with that. Thank goodness.

I guess I willl just have to retrain myself. At least now I can stop dealing with Classic altogether.

ktinkel
11-30-2005, 05:50 AM
But am sorry to report that the original Fontographer Sounds come with.I thought those could be turned off, but guess not. So we are stuck with them.

Every so often Jack hears one of those space wars noises and comes running in to see what’s going on!

ktinkel
11-30-2005, 04:25 PM
So if I can confirm they have my registration, get it updated and retrieve the s/n that way, I'm off and running.Well, today I got a notice from FontLab that FOG 4.7 had been released. So I guess they do have some sort of database.

rakman4
11-30-2005, 04:44 PM
I didn't get the message (I was a Fonto 4 beta tester and got my license that way) about the upgrade, and I threw my box and original discs away at least 8 years ago during one of many move triages. But they accepted my supplication for the upgrade. Maybe they realize that searching for me on the internet still (sigh) yields hundreds of font hits.

In the old days with ResEdit, I was able to substitute new SND resources for the ones that came with Fontographer. The Sounds document has a generic icon, so I wonder if it is still just a file with some SND resources in it. The easy way to turn off the sounds is to stick them in another folder. Old tricks! I listen to a lot of classical music on iTunes when I work, which means the volume is turned up high, and those Fonto sounds kind of overwhelm the whole house. Though it's comical to see the cats' tails get puffy when that happens.

I work on the 20" iMac, the pre-dual processor one, and some of the editing behavior is a little strange. Several times simply selecting a point also caused it to move in the direction that the pointer went after the selection -- something that is easily fixable by modifying my raucous editing behavior. I haven't tried copying outlines from illustrator CS2 to the outline layer yet, but that did work very nicely with Font Lab.

ktinkel
11-30-2005, 05:17 PM
They've moved some of the shortcuts around …Yuri at FontLab replied to my grumblings on Typophile and said that the first two were bugs that would be fixed in a 4.7.1 update (didn’t say when, I noticed).

That emboldened me to mention the couple you mentioned; see if he puts those on the list: Command-T (was Fit in Window; now Merge point) and Command-M (was Merge point, now nothing).

I noticed others had changed, but they didn’t strike me as important, and a couple even seemed to be improved. For example, Set basepoint is now Command-B (instead of Command-`) and Reset basepoint is Command-Option-B (instead of ~); and Align points (still Command-E) and Align points to grid (Command-Option-E instead of the old Shift-Command-Q).

We shall see how it goes. I got so frustrated today that I actually went back to using FOG 4.1.5 in Classic!

marlene
11-30-2005, 05:42 PM
And by the way. I have a nice Trafton. Apparently I can't do a good OpenType, but the Type 1 looks just fine. Elyse has one. Who wants?

I've got the Trafton you sent me in January 1998 (old Compuserve forum days) -- is this the same one? (Copyright says it's a first draft, optical work needed.) I'm on PC -- can't remember if you sent the PC version, or if I converted a Mac version.

Marlene

marlene
11-30-2005, 05:48 PM
I haven't heard anything from FontLab about FOG. Maybe because I'm on PC? Maybe the Windows version isn't available yet?

I think I have two registered versions of FOG -- I had originally bought it stand-alone, and I think it was also in one of my Macromedia Studio bundles. (But I could be wrong about that.) I definitely had at least one registered version.

And I've got Typetool, so I should be in FontLab's database ...

mxh

Michael Rowley
11-30-2005, 06:05 PM
KT:

today I got a notice from FontLab that FOG 4.7 had been released

So did I, but I've never bought Fontographer. I have a couple of programs from FontLab though.

rakman4
12-01-2005, 03:56 AM
I was living in Maine in 1998 and I remember working on Trafton in warm weather. So what I have must be later than what I sent. I probably would have sent the PC version as generated on a Mac...

rakman4
12-01-2005, 03:58 AM
I would never use a program in Classic. It's not even installed on my main computer.

Too bad there isn't an OS X ResEdit. All the shortcut complaints would be moot. And mute.

rakman4
12-01-2005, 04:23 AM
None of my addresses, business or otherwise, or e-mail addresses from when Fonto 4 was released are valid any more. So even if I were in their database, they wouldn't be able to find me. I do do TypeTool-Windows and FontLab-Mac, though. And I got my information here.

ktinkel
12-01-2005, 05:11 AM
I haven't heard anything from FontLab about FOG. Maybe because I'm on PC? Maybe the Windows version isn't available yet?I don’t think a Windows version is planned. The main point of 4.7 is to allow Mac users to run Fontographer on OS X.

The next real upgrade will be for all platforms.

ktinkel
12-01-2005, 05:13 AM
So did I, but I've never bought Fontographer. I have a couple of programs from FontLab though.Aaah. Maybe that’s it — they sent e-mail to all the FontLab list (which I am also on.

ktinkel
12-01-2005, 05:15 AM
Too bad there isn't an OS X ResEdit. All the shortcut complaints would be moot. And mute.Yeah, really. But I guess we can’t be trusted to dabble with the innards of OS X (or cannot easily be made competent enough to do so!).

ktinkel
12-01-2005, 05:31 AM
Very welcome news from Yuri:
Kathleen: certainly we will bring all Fog 4.1 shortcuts back. They are changed by mistake: different, experimental set of shortcuts get into the beta and final releases. For some reason it was left unnoticed by our own Q&A and beta testers.

We hope to release 4.7.1. update in about a week.
I am (tentatively) much relieved.

ElyseC
12-02-2005, 07:37 AM
Well, today I got a notice from FontLab that FOG 4.7 had been released. So I guess they do have some sort of database.Yes, I got it, too. I see that the sending address is Macromedia, but the message is written by the FontLab people.

ElyseC
12-02-2005, 07:41 AM
Aaah. Maybe that’s it — they sent e-mail to all the FontLab list (which I am also on.Except that I've never been on the FontLab list and I got it. I do have a bunch of Macromedia products registered, though, including FOG.

ktinkel
12-02-2005, 08:04 AM
Except that I've never been on the FontLab list and I got it. I do have a bunch of Macromedia products registered, though, including FOG.Later yesterday I got yet another press release, this one from Macromedia. All of these had identical content.

I think that will be the end of them. <g>

ElyseC
12-02-2005, 08:22 AM
Later yesterday I got yet another press release, this one from Macromedia. All of these had identical content.

I think that will be the end of them. <g>Ah. I only got one, early afternoon, but that's fine, because duplicates I don't need. <g>

marlene
12-02-2005, 06:16 PM
If you've got a PC version of your latest (and greatest) version of Trafton, I'd love to have it!

Hmm, since we are in public, I'd better post one of my throwaway addresses ...

sashiwahara (at) yahoo (dot) com

(Like I think that will fool the harvesters.)

Thanks!

mxh

rakman4
12-03-2005, 04:51 AM
"We hope to release 4.7.1. update in about a week."

Add the customary week of failed downloads and we're looking at what, December 15?

ktinkel
12-03-2005, 05:48 AM
Add the customary week of failed downloads and we're looking at what, December 15?Now, now. I think you need to understand that that exhortation to download from the purchase screen is left over from some other movie. Just wait for the e-mail.

Of course, since this is (one assumes) a free fix to an error, there shouldn’t be any transaction screen, right?

As for when, we’ll see. <g> Yuri sounded quite definite to me.

rakman4
12-16-2005, 06:03 AM
Hey, it looks like my original prediction of December 15 for the Fonto 4.7.1 upgrade was right after all. I didn't get an e-mail about it, but I did request the upgrade online several days ago, and again today. So far --- no response.

And Happy Beethoven's birthday, everyone. A mere 235 years ago today....

ktinkel
12-16-2005, 06:59 AM
Hey, it looks like my original prediction of December 15 for the Fonto 4.7.1 upgrade was right after all. I didn't get an e-mail about it, but I did request the upgrade online several days ago, and again today. So far --- no response.I didn’t get an e-mail either, but went over there last weekend and there it was. But you remind me that I did not go dowload it yet.

And Happy Beethoven's birthday, everyone. A mere 235 years ago today....DA DA DA DUM!

Gee, seems like yesterday.